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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-1 15:02     标题: Perfect Wave - 2011-Q4

I am starting a new thread for 2011 Q4 (Oct - Dec), including EUR, SP, Gold, and JPY. My wave counts of last quarter can be found from:
http://www.yayabay.com/forum/thread-145407-1-1.html

Elliott Wave reference can be found from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_wave_principle

My labeling for wave degrees in different time frames:
Monthly - [[[I]]], [[[II]]], [[[III]]], [[[IV]]], [[[V]]], [[[A]]], [[[B]]], [[[C]]]
Monthly - [[I]], [[II]], [[III]], [[IV]], [[V]], [[A]], [[B]], [[C]]
Weekly - [I], [II], [III], [IV], [V], [A], [B], [C]
Weekly - I, II, III, IV, V, A, B, C
Daily - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, a, b, c
Daily - _1, _2, _3, _4, _5, _a, _b, _c
Hourly - __1, __2, __3, __4, __5, __a, __b, __c
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-1 15:19

10/01/2011 Monthly Charts

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-1 16:56

本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2011-10-1 16:57 编辑

This is a discussion from some other forum:


wave 理论有没有引进成交量这个概念?


  Actually, yes, Elliott Wave does take volume into consideration.  The following is an extract from Elliott Wave International:

"Elliott used volume as a tool for verifying wave counts and in projecting extensions. He recognized that in any bull market, volume has a natural tendency to expand and contract with the speed of price change. Late in a corrective phase, a decline in volume often indicates a decline in selling pressure. A low point in volume often coincides with a turning point in the market. ..."

That is a long section talking about volume.  I watch volume when I trade.  I don't put volume on the charts of my wave counts, in order not to confuse people.


人性都是贪婪又胆小的。。3波5波,其中的某一波没有忽悠到足够的人进来(量不够)或者忽悠进来的人太多,会影响到下一波的时间和高度吧?


Yes, good point!!!  One way we use to predict if a wave-5 would have extension is checking the volume.  If the wave-5 has equal or more volume than wave-3, then most likely it could have extension, which means a wave-6789 would happen next.


举个例子。比如股票spring & thrust, 或者突破,大庄家突破了,但是发现没有什么人进入(量不够),庄家这个时候想:ctm的,突破拉高没有忽悠到什么钱进来,再向上会被他人short高顶,股票自己全扛着岂不亏大了,只好快速炸盘让和他在同一条阵线的人出去不了,想short的人也来不及。 如果是在大牛市,无量突破,虽然发现没有什么人进入(量不够),但庄家这个时候想:ctm的,就让那帮人short,我继续拉得更高,挤死他们,这样sqeeze得股票sky高(琢磨着nflx就是这样,单看这两年标准大牛屎啊)。
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That's what happened in the gold market also!  上破又下破 洗盤刷盤  軋空又砸盤  太難做了!
作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-10-1 17:20

SPX 月线图上紫线走势和俺的想法接近,下破1100之后,反弹拉起.
谢谢雪骑的分享!


作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-1 19:24

SPX 月线图上紫线走势和俺的想法接近,下破1100之后,反弹拉起.
谢谢雪骑的分享!
棋王 发表于 2011-10-1 17:20



作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-1 19:24

This is a discussion in some other forum:

...量在价先,,, 反过来,价格对量有什么影响? 比如上涨速度快或者价格高对后来的量怎么影响呢?价格高,有时不愿买,有时chase high (比如认为价值发现或者回归)。wave里面有些什么判断?


"价格对量" - Why do we want to worry about that?  We care more about the price - buy low and sell high to make profit.
"上涨速度快" - It will be forming some price area with thin volume in that fast move.  The fast move is the dot dot dot that links between accumulation and distribution areas.
"上涨速度快或者价格高对后来的量怎么影响呢" - After the price is lifted to their target area, the insider will start unloading their holdings.  Then we will see a plateau start forming with huge volume first then decreaing volume (because of unloading).
"wave里面有些什么判断?" - Wave structures/behaviors/patterns/characteristics actually explain what stage the market might be in.


时间和空间,小散伤疤好需要一段时间,有range market,这个时间在wave 理论里面怎么处理?


About the "range market", its wave structure could 333, 335, 3x3, 3x3x3, or even more complex combinations.  In most case, a range market is a continuation consolidation in the existing market direction.  It could be the wave-2,4,6,8,b.


是不是一般就到9波? ES 1min-chart 最牛的时候我就看到9波(其中5波上涨)。。量在7,9波时慢慢枯萎了?其它的比如和fib retracement的关系怎么样? nflx 大牛时不只9波吧?
》》黄金之类的是不是比大盘还难分析?
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Yep yep yep ... good observation!  9 waves, then 13 waves next.
I don't know about NFLX.  Probably it had extensions over extensions again and again.
I love trading gold, but it's much harder than trading EUR and SP because gold's volume is much lower.  Gold's slippage could be very big.  I have had more than $5 slippages many times on stop orders, which I hate so much.  My favorite ones are still EUR and SP.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-5 20:13

10/05/2010

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作者: BigFool    时间: 2011-10-15 23:04

最精不见人了?
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-16 02:24

最精不见人了?
BigFool 发表于 2011-10-15 23:04


I just came back from a vacation yesterday.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-16 02:39

10/16/2011


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作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-10-16 11:04

好图,一个合理健康的回调是必须的。


作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-16 14:52

好图,一个合理健康的回调是必须的。
棋王 发表于 2011-10-16 11:04


Thanks 琪兒.  
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-16 14:52

Some discussion:

Quote from jas_in_hbca:
That wave count down to SP 800 or so is my wave count as well and i expect many other E wavers also. Makes me think from the contrarian side that it won't happen.


Hi jas_in_hbca, Thanks for nice commenting.  I have been talking to myself a while before receiving feedbacks.  The wave count down to 800-900 area is the replica of the fractal of 2007-2009.  This assumption works so far so good.  We will need to change wave count if the market tells us otherwise.


Quote from jas_in_hbca:
i haven't seen D & E wave labels before. Should they be some kind of 'X' wave ?


Some EW technicians mark 05/02/2011 as an "X".  It is also a valid count because after an "X", there will be an ABC, which matches what the current wave movement.


Quote from jas_in_hbca:
I also see the 2009 and 2011 moves as impulsive (1, 2,3,4,5 count) . Can corrective waves take a 5-3-5  structure ? I think they can but been awhile since i've read prechters book.  If impusive then the 2011 move could be a wave 1 of a larger 3. that would surprise alot of people.

Anyway just thinking out loud. Nice to see your charts.


It does not really matter too much now if the moves in 2009 and 2011 are impulsive or not because we do see a big 5-3-5 structure from 2009 to 2011.  Once a 5-3-5 is formed, next piece of wave movement will be either resuming or reversing.  If the wave continues in the same direction, the 5-3-5 becomes the 123 of the whole 12345.  If the wave reverses, the 5-3-5 becomes the corrective wave of a higher timeframe (this scenario is the preferred count that we have now).

About RP, he has contributed a lot of ideas/thoughts to the EW world.  But there are something that I don't agree.  And he has been wrong on SP for more than 10 or 20 years.  I used to read his analysis every week (bi-week?  I cannot remember), but I stopped reading that about 15 years ago because it seemed to me that RP does not really understand wave patterns (and how those patterns got formed by the market).  I suspect that he never really traded by using wave analysis; he would have been wiped out many times long time ago otherwise.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-16 15:25

Some discussion:

people who are in love with elliot wave have a selective seeing problem, when it works out they jump up and down and as in most cases it dont work out they make no mention of it on wall street you have 2 groups, those losing money and in love with EV and those who make big money who like to laugh at EV and other indicators

I spent 2 years there



Hedge212 - Thanks for commenting.  Sorry to hear that you have "spent 2 years there" (with EW) and without any success.  EW is actually one of the best TA approaches that I have experienced with.  A mature EW technician will not have any "selective seeing problem" because all scenarios need to be considered.  And "when it works out", they won't "jump up and down" because everything is known and just another same old thing that there is nothing new under the sun.  If the preferred wave count does not work, the alternative count takes over right away, and why do "they make no mention of it"???

I understand that you have big frustration on EW ... "on wall street ... those losing money and in love with EW" ... so you departed from EW because it did not get you what you wanted?!  Please honestly ask yourself if one should blame her teacher if she is not able to pass an exam?  Let me tell you the truth, a 3-year-old kid's stock pick will be better than that from the average fund managers on wall street.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-16 16:02

Some discussion:

MHP一下,如果按照这个spx的理解交易,若要先等小wave去1100,甚至short到1100的话,就把这个小牛市完全错过了(说不定还亏)。 请教一下,在这种情况下,wave专家们怎么处理呢?

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yupek - 問得好!  Let me explain this.  When you enter a trade, the first thing you need to know is what your trading timeframe is.

If the timeframe is a long term one, you see that the preferred wave count on 09/30/2011's monthly chart shows where a good buying area is.  The long term wave count was expecting a huge rebound anytime soon in October.

If the timeframe is a short term one, you see that the preferred wave count on 10/05/2011 (before I went to vacation) daily chart shows a short term target is above 1200.  Two questions: 1. Would you short on 10/06/2011 (I probably would if I was not away and incurred some small DT loss), and 2. Would you go long on 10/06/2011?  For an EW technician, the wave count needed a small adjustment after the market closed on 10/06/2011.  I call it "紅三兵" (asia term), and people here call it "三白兵".  I would not expect it to have correction back down to 1100 area because the formation is strongly bullish.

In conclusion, trading with different timeframes in the same market could have different results.  I have been expecting 破底翻 for a long time (please check out my past posts).  I have been shorting SP and buying 3x bear ETFs the week before it 破底.  I have also started accumulated long term bull position everytime SP dipped.  All bearish position was liquidated when it 破底 10/03 and 10/04, and also comes with a heavy adding up to my long term bull position.

Why do so?  A trend won't end unless a false break occurs.  That (破底翻) was what we EW technicians expected.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-16 16:21

Some discussion:

油肉跟SP 是正相关, 这个好像是对的。 两者都面临回调。...


他兩目前是"正相关", 但也有可能走成負相關甚至不相關, 這些偶都不care, 偶只管TA不管誰當皇帝


...日元不会再退到 76 以下吧。 我看是就这么上去了。


也有可能"就这么上去了", 但如果是如此走, 則不夠漂亮, 因為沒殺
若它是個股偶來操盤, 偶必殺破底才來翻
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-23 00:45

10/22/2011

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-10-29 16:50

10/29/2011

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作者: farshine    时间: 2011-10-31 17:54

looks like wave 3 is not done yet.
Chart20111031175139.png

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http://status.yayabay.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=483120&k=0405e03395fd4f71cbebf05c38c2121e&t=1733922037&sid=3eW1Wl


作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-1 20:35

11/01/2011 Gold Intraday

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-1 22:04

Some discussion:


It's not Elliott Wave?
There are two forecast lines, one grey and one purple, which one you will trade on?
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jackypw - Good questions!  It *IS* Elliott Wave!  The purple line is my preferred count, and the grey line is my alternative count.  I trade on the purple line.  If the market goes against my assumption, then the grey line takes over becomes my preferred count.

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Also, for SPX why you are sure 1285 will be reversal point?
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It is not 1285 the "reversal point", but actually 1295 area (Thursday's hi was 1293) was the reversal point.  Why?  You won't believe if I tell you that was just my guess.  If you really want a reason (out of many reasons), then here is one...  The selloff in July officially started from falling below 1295.  When the market surged back to that area last week, people lost their mind and forgot where the big selling was from.

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How did u decided each wave's amplitude? by Fib?
Sorry for so many questions.


There are some rules in EW Principle.  For example, wave-3 won't be the shortest.  Of course, Fibonacci number plays a very important role on predicting turning points.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-1 22:20

Some discussion:

你先来点COMMENTS在图上嘛.  你每周贴的才勉强看明白. 这个intraday图完全看不懂
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Venetian - Thanks for asking.  你可先對照偶週末登出的金子日線圖  明白了日線所在的位置  再對照這個盤中走勢  日線波浪級數已細分在盤中之中  因為不同波在不同級別  所以必須要有不同的標法  偶再 copy 偶的標法如下:
My labeling for wave degrees in different time frames:
Monthly - [[[I]]], [[[II]]], [[[III]]], [[[IV]]], [[[V]]], [[[A]]], [[[B]]], [[[C]]]
Monthly - [[I]], [[II]], [[III]], [[IV]], [[V]], [[A]], [[B]], [[C]]
Weekly - [I], [II], [III], [IV], [V], [A], [B], [C]
Weekly - I, II, III, IV, V, A, B, C
Daily - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, a, b, c
Daily - _1, _2, _3, _4, _5, _a, _b, _c
Hourly - __1, __2, __3, __4, __5, __a, __b, __c
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-6 01:52

11/05/2011

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-6 12:47

这次的两根线趋势完全相反的呀

thirdwheel - 牛眼看牛 熊眼看熊  ... see there are two lines in the chart, one is the purple line (which is my preferred count), and the other one is the grey line (an alternative count).  So people can pick their happy one from those two lines - everyone is happy.  :)

SP - 偶猜它不容易就這樣直上創今年新高 若破上周高也要再回踩9月高才穩 偶是比較偏中期熊(purple line)
JPY - 它的創新價後大逆轉早已預告許久 目前將進入大盤整
GC - 仍然看多 不管是回檔與否 都看多
EUR - 除非它本周拉出長紅(東方講法-大漲) 偶是比較偏中期熊(purple line)
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-6 22:36

谢谢老师的讲解 TA这个WAVE 是不是总得走出来才好去定义是什么波呢?我看电视里也是都讲有可能X波 有可能C波的
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thirdwheel - 波這個東東真是見人見智  像下棋一樣  每個人看法都有可能不同  善奕者謀的跟不善奕的人謀的不一樣  若能在市場走出之前就能猜出  那也不錯  試想若將市場當成對手  重點是如何猜出對手的意圖  有意思電視裡講波  請告訴偶哪一台  偶是喜歡到處看看不同人的看法  多看不同看法以評估是否自己漏掉甚麼
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-13 15:57

11/12/2011

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-14 02:13

俺从你的图里看到我想要的方向,希望不是mm设的陷阱

fatbrick - 牛眼看牛 熊眼看熊 股市充滿騙局 哪知是熊騙牛還是牛騙熊?
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-14 02:16

要是走那个灰线 估计熊熊就都死了

thirdwheel - 若要真走那灰線 泰迪熊可能遭殃 但北極熊應該會笑說 偶又有好料可吃了
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-17 21:37

11/17/2011 SP Intraday

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-18 00:22

本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2011-11-17 23:23 编辑
图上看 日线级别应该有个反弹 对吗? 和...的判断一样

thirdwheel - 千萬別 ... 一旦開始自我陶醉 那就是毀滅的開始 換言之 那就是往外婆家走去的路上了
關於日線級別的反彈 偶不知這波將如何演變 但若是它能殺到1180-1190間 偶將會將期指空倉全平 以完成下跌的第一波
作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-11-18 00:38

雪骑的EW来判断中,长期走势还是相当的靠铺啊,
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-18 01:40

雪骑的EW来判断中,长期走势还是相当的靠铺啊,
棋王 发表于 2011-11-17 23:38


謝謝琪MM 偶其實全靠矇的 用第六感猜猜 猜猜容易但操作難 有時猜中卻沒作 有時猜中作了卻賠錢 難呀難
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-18 01:47

泰迪熊已经见过N次外婆了 555555555

thirdwheel - 沒事沒事 外婆見多了就畢業了 年輕時見外婆比年老時見外婆要好
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-19 18:56

11/19/2011

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-20 01:28

... 11/19/2011,你SP500的wave count是在日线图上的,在最近的[A].C.2的行进中,假设你以紫色线来操作,有没有可能在低级别图中,如30分钟,5分钟图中,其行进方向或pattern并不完全支持日线的紫色线?如果是的话,你会按不同的time frame建仓对冲吗?或者,这次你能同时给个SP500的30分钟和5分钟的wave count 吗? ...


328 - 偶附上二圖以對照

11/17/2011 SP Intraday


11/19/2011 SP Daily Chart


紫線是偶的 preferred count (不同人或有不同的首選或算法) 所有的算法都有一至性 從高級別的 timeframe 到低級別的 都必須是可解釋的 否則便產生自我矛盾 - this answers your first question, i.e., the wave counts or patterns in a given timeframe need to conform to the assumption of the ones of a higher degree timeframe

你所提到的 [A].C.2 是反彈波(11/10-11) 問的好! 偶猜你是問偶是否會 trade 反彈波 是嗎? 你若 trade multiple accounts, you can do so 不同帳戶 trade 不同的波浪級別 有些帳戶專做長線週線級別的波 (e.g., 偶長線多頭持股目前 37% cash 63%) 有些帳戶專做日線波 有些專做4H-hourly的波 有些專做 5min-15min的波 - this answers your second question 偶不會在同一個帳戶做不同級別把自己搞得累昏頭

關於SP"30分钟"的波 你可參考 "11/17/2011 SP Intraday" 關於SP"5分钟"的波 其實SP波是恢常perfect的 但5min週期實在極短除非是超短線DT否則不用把自己搞得這麼累 - this answers your third question
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-21 19:29

今天收盤價時又再增持些多頭

持倉報告:
股票長線多頭倉: 45%
Cash: 55%
作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-11-23 19:29

能UPDATE一下吗?
俺想看看。


作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-23 23:23

能UPDATE一下吗?
俺想看看。
棋王 发表于 2011-11-23 18:29


琪兒請問妳是說SP的圖嗎?
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-23 23:28

今天收盤價時又再增持些多頭

持倉報告:
股票長線多頭倉: 51%
Cash: 49%
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-24 00:06

能UPDATE一下吗?
俺想看看。
棋王 发表于 2011-11-23 18:29


11/23/2011 SP Intraday

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琪兒 - 所以偶賭一個次級大反彈將開始
作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-11-24 00:37

回复 40# snowrider


   


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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-24 10:52

回复 41# 棋王

現在SP跌破昨低點 所以算法稍改點 算它是跌9小波
A 沒變
c 改成 B (從A到B是一個 double 3)
d 改成 1
B.e 改成 2
1 改成 3
2 改成 4
3 改成 5
4 改成 6
5 改成 7
目前高 為8
目前在正在殺 [A].C.9
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-26 17:32

11/26/2011

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作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-11-28 01:50

回复 43# snowrider

俺就一个问题,走势图所对应的日期,是不是也是算法算出来的,还是一个大概?谢谢
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-11-28 02:20

回复  snowrider

俺就一个问题,走势图所对应的日期,是不是也是算法算出来的,还是一个大概?谢谢
棋王 发表于 2011-11-28 00:50


問的好! 好像琪兒妳是自從偶不再DQ的 group 上 post 以來 第一個問偶這個問題的人 顯見妳觀察入微! 是的 轉折點全都在關鍵時間點上 以前偶不知在哪裡有提到過 "日程觀" (除了 "大局觀" 之外的一個重要操作前提) 就是算時間 就是說價位雖然重要 但是進出場時間點更重要 因為:
伺機出手 太早出手遭殃 太晚出手失機
作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-11-28 02:26

回复 45# snowrider


明白了,谢谢解释。
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-3 18:17

12/03/2011

Comments are welcome!








作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-3 21:09

从你图上看,周一100%下跌啊

fatbrick - 偶也不知道會漲還是會跌 偶只是猜猜看 看能不能矇到
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-3 21:28

學習玩波的過程是恢常孤獨的
因為偶認為:
1. 波這東西是 TA approaches 中 最難的 (但也是最好的)
2. 玩波這事是從實踐中學習判斷 (沒有熟讀唐詩300首哪能吟詩?  沒有打過譜哪能下好棋)
3. 玩波這事是主觀的藝術判斷 (不是簡單的1+1=2 就算打過N個譜 也不一定下的了好棋)
4. 搞波這東西經常是站在少數的一方 (必須要有恢常強的心臟及冷靜的腦子)

哈!  波的確是好玩!
大波摸得舒服
小波更好來回把玩

作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-4 01:51

上次没有认真领会图的意思 这回泰迪熊被整惨了 5555555555555
  
上次畫的這麼明白 泰迪熊應大賺 怎麼可能還被整惨?





不过看这次的图 新高是不可避免啊

對行情應隨時保持懷疑
千萬不可過度肯定
過度一定肯定 就是外婆在向你招手

等下到10月的低点1070她又会有截然不同的看法了

那當然
偶是中長期看大空頭的
偶看它走高 不過是要它 所謂的 破頭穿腳
要上破 才有下殺的強烈破壞力
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-4 14:03

Quote from iceman1:
...like the pretty purple color with the green; I have found dice work better than elliot wave analysis. ...

iceman1 - Glad that you like the combination of purple and green.  Elliot Wave analysis is very subjective so that different people could have different intepretations on a given chart, regardless the analysis needs to be based on some rules.  Since it needs to be interpreted, the result of analysis cannot be guaranteed like a scientific analysis as 1+1=2.  And since the analysis is by people while majority people lose on trading, there is no surprise that "dice works better than elliot wave analysis."

Quote from iceman1:
... I am always curious when over the past 25 years I read all kinds of predictions, most of which never occur. Therefore, what exactly are you doing to implement your analysis?! How are you playing it ...

I guess that you have read lots of EW predictions from the famous RP's publications.  If so, I did the same thing too, but I stopped reading them and threw them all to recycle bin about 16 years ago.  That is a good question about the implementation of my analysis.  If I tell you the truth, you won't believe it.  All my wave counts are just my 6th sense guessing.  First, one needs to study RN's EW principle and remember his every single word, and then one needs to study charts by applying the principle.  An example of how to trade with EW, please read the following wiki link:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Wave_Principle

Quote from iceman1:
... is this some academic exercise with nothing really being risked. Anyone can make an educated guess on the market outlook, but few can trade it well.
...

Good point!  Very few people can trade solely by using EW ... at least I haven't seen one yet.  I would guess that the famous RP has never traded with his EW analysis; otherwise, he would have been wiped out long time ago.  EW is one of the hardest (if not the hardest) TA approaches to master.  EW is the major tool that I use on trading.  I trade on my preferred count (purple line).  If the market goes against my prediction, the grey line takes over and becomes the preferred count.  If both go wrong, I take a break.  If one wants to trade EW, market selection is very important.  It got to have good liquidity, and it got be widely traded.  These are the only 4 markets that I trade now (after trading almost every commodity and currency in the world): EUR, SP, GC, JPY.

Quote from iceman1:
... After all timing is important, last I checked! Frankly I don't have a fricking clue as to what happens. Anyone who tells me they are sure which way market will move, is a fool or deranged. This market has baffled much smarter people than me and many others. ...

Good point again!  Timing is much more important than getting a good price.  Entering the market too early, one gets killed.  Entering the market too late, one misses out a big move and that incurs some bigger risk.  Remember ... trading with EW needs to be very cautious.  There is nothing 100%, so you always need to have a back-up plan, which is the alternative wave count.  If someone tells me that s/he is "sure which way market will move" and if the direction is in synch with my predition, I will take a look to see where I might be wrong.  On the other hand, if someone's prediction is in the opposite direction as mine, I will be more confident about my own.

Quote from iceman1:
... Further if you had backed up the truck at least 4-5 times over the past 6 months (maybe more) in some stocks, ETFs and indexes, and nailed it, you could pretty much take the next couple years off and travel the world on a motorcycle.  So who cares about wave count?!  As I recall from my studies, elliot wave is not a science but subject to very broad interpretation as to count.

Oui?

regards,

iceman1 - It will be nice to "travel the world on a motorcycle" like JR.  I wish I could do that and retire earlier.  Over the last 24 years (since 1987), I have got wiped out numerous times ... I cannot even remember how many times.  Good thing now is that I have entered a stable state, so ... I am working on it.  Hopefully, one day, before I become too old, I can pick up a pretty one and say, "are you willing to travel the world on a motorcycle with me?"
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-4 16:49

本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2011-12-4 15:53 编辑

偶當時甚至找了個物理PhD幫偶把市場數據做傅利葉轉換分析
... 省掉500字
偶還是不想潑搞 FA 的冷水

偶是不知道其他用 TA 的人 "痛" 或不 "痛"
偶是正如你所說的根本不 "care"
其實偶也是有時會 care - 許多的反轉日是反著FA消息的 - 所以如果FA消息大好或大壞偶就要特別注意市場的動向

電視上這麼說:

基本分析比不上技術分析
技術分析比不上政府干預
政府干預比不上內線消息

其實偶認為紙是包不住火的
只要有內線偷跑 圖上多少有端倪 那就回歸到
內線消息躲不過技術分析 - 偶說的
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-8 22:01

12/08/2011 SP Intraday

Comments are welcome!



SP 紫線走法未變  其他的東東走法已變
SP 目前可能在走 [[B]].[C].II
如果假設是正確 則目前買入一搏大漲是好機會
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-8 22:32

回复 53# snowrider

Some micro alternative counts is possible:
wave-a becomes wave-4
wave-b becomes wave-5
now we are in wave-II.a
and then wave-II will complete at spot index 1210-1215 (50% pullback)
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-10 16:06

12/10/2011

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-11 00:38

Since you post the chart every week, is it ok to have some comments about the last week's prediction, if it is good, and if not, how you adjusted to it, etc. I think that it will be much appreciated. Thanks.
...

yupek - Thanks for reading my weekly posts.  My prediction is based on the Elliott Wave principle that everyone can find tons of references on the web.  About last week's prediction, say SP for example, my preferred count is the purple line.  The market could have taken wave-II right away last Monday.  In that case, wave-I.4 would be a simple correction.  However, the market went flat for 3 more days, and wave-I.4 became a complex correction.  Last Thursday's sell-off could be the final kick of an irregular wave-II before wave-III's marching north.

It's hard to answer the question about how to adjust wave count.  If one wants to trade EW, at any moment, s/he needs to have a backup plan - that is the alternative count.  When the market does not move in favor of one's preferred count, the alternative count may become the preferred one.  Remember one thing ... anything can happen.  Therefore, trading with EW is a process of constantly thinking.  As I mentioned many times, it's just like playing chess with the market.  I don't mind to share my view every weekend because I will be happy if readers make money and also share their thoughts with me.  More people watch the game (of chess), more thoughtful the wave count would be.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-11 00:45

看这个图 偶是死定了 5555555555555

thirdwheel - 不會吧 多空現在都有機會 短期多頭上走 中期大空頭要來了 長期卻又是大多頭
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-11 12:10


Thanks for comments. It is very helpful.
I just feel that Thursday's correction is too shallow. It is still possible that we have two legs down. So we may revisit Thursday's low or even go to 1220. I'm wondering why you think that we should go up from here.
...

yupek - Yes, it is possible (and anything is possible).  Please see the grey line alternative count.  Also I explained that as a micro alternative count in last Thursday's posts.  Say, if you have bot SP at Thursday's MOC, now your STP order can be placed 1 point right below last Thursday's low.  If the STP gets hit, you don't lose nothing.  We don't know if it will happen, but when an opportunity comes, one needs to evaluate if it is worth the risk to bet.  Say, if you did not enter the long of SP at Thursday's MOC, when do you want to enter?  After breaking out weekly high?  Not really a good idea because once it happens, where are you going to place your STP order?  It will be the same price (1 point right below last Thursday's low), but your risk will be much higher.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-17 19:45

12/17/2011

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作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-18 15:27

So the basic impression is: we will find a bottom soon (it may have been there, or a little lower than last week's low), and go up to pass the MA 200.

Just wonder why you ignore the possibility to break down from the current big triangle (breaking 1200).
...

yupek - I assume that you are talking about SP.  Yes, it could break "the current big triangle" (as I believe that anything is possible).  I did not mean to ignore that scenario, but I just did not want to draw a spiderweb on the chart to include all possible scenarios.  You might want to ask why I favor those up scenarios over down scenarios?  Last week's low is 50% pullback, and 1200 area is 61.8% pullback.  There is no reason to assume that the market is weakening and going down before some key fibonacci ratios stop working.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-23 00:53

Let's make an assumption that MM is going to push the market all the way up and penetrate 200DMA.  If you are the MM, what approach would you take to reach your goal?  Most people (not me because I don't watch any MA or indicator) believe that 200DMA is a resistance.  The least effort for MM to take over 200DMA is by gapping up.
1. If it was to gap from Wednesday's close to above 200DMA, it needed a huge jump.  In order to make it happen, a bigger and better news was needed BEFORE 9:30AM the market opened.  It did not happen, so MM take the second approach.
2. MM started pushing the market slowly up ... little by litte ... not too rush not to hurry.  Why?  If it surged too quick before 200DMA during the market hour, it would triigger heavey sell-off.  Then the market closed at day high.  OK, what next?  With the approach, the best time to push up above resistance is after hour.  That is what is happening now.  If everything is still in MM's control and our assuption is still correct, tomorrow morning when the market opens, it will open at above 12/08's high.  Nevertheless, MM will say ... mission completed ... 200DMA is taken over.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-25 16:24

12/25/2011

Happy Holidays!

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作者: not4weak    时间: 2011-12-25 19:57

1300 a must???
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-26 17:33

1300 a must???
not4weak 发表于 2011-12-25 18:57


That is just a guess.  Nothing is definite.  EW always comes with alternative counts.
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-26 17:36

Quote from ammo:

snow would you do this monthly ,i havent attempted to learn ew,but if this were wave 5,whats the longer /shorter than prev wave rule,or measured move,thanks and merry xmas


ammo - Thanks.  Elliott Wave Principle is a very powerful tool.  You'd better start learning that if you believe in Natural law.  To answer your question, "if this were wave 5", my convention would label it as abcde instead of 12345 because the wave from the low of 2009-03 did not show a healthy impulsive movement.  So, say, if we call it abcde, then your question is how high the final segment could go, right?  OK, you see the second up leg from 2010-07 1011 to 2011-05 1371 has time span of 10 months and price span of 360.  You can make a guess that the max target of the final up leg won't exceed the time A and the price B before a big correction because a rule says that the 3rd wave won't be the shortest.  The answer can be measured from the correction of the second up leg, and it will be:

A = 10 months + 2011-10 = 2012-08
B = 360 + 1075 = 1435
作者: snowrider    时间: 2011-12-27 14:36

為何有時 abcde 有時 12345?



這問題問得有深度! 妳知道波有古典學派(RN) 及後來加註的現代學派(RP) 那偶的是更進一層的加註(x氏加註) ... 這"x"是個placeholder of my last name ... 開玩笑 :) 偶是根本只想賺錢而不想出名 :) 所以偶們就稱之為現代雪派(SRP or SP, i.e., SnowRider Pi).

在偶的雪派中定義: 凡是不健康的浪(推動與否) 都不標示12345

關於妳highlight的紅線 它明顯是 3-3-9 (雪派中 3-3-5 的 variation) 所以標ABC

關於目前進行中的可以是 I II III IV V 亦可是 A B C D E 但目前偶們不知道市場將如何演進
為何都可能?  因為 標示中的 A 是個漂亮健康的推動所以可以是個 I
目前在進行的 可能是 C 亦可能是 III
是否市場會衰竭而形成 Ending Diagonal (ABCDE)?  偶們要看這 C 及 D 怎麼走

妳的假設(3-3-3)恢常好
那是一種有可能的算法
謝謝分享
作者: 棋王    时间: 2011-12-30 14:52

谢谢雪期的分享,
提前祝新年快乐!


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